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Elliot Temple on May 10, 2019

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Antifa did some of the destruction blamed on Trump supporters. How much is unknown.


curi at 5:41 PM on January 7, 2021 | #19402 | reply | quote


> Conservative lawyer Lin Wood was among those who noticed and retweeted a post showing a familiar face at a June BLM rally in Arizona.

This guy is known as the "QAnon Shaman". He denies he is antifa. https://www.newsweek.com/qshaman-washington-antifa-protest-qanon-1559599

(Also, the photo that Lin Wood RT'd cuts off the guy's sign which features Q.)

> The day’s biggest confirmation came from a Washington Times report that facial-recognition firm XRVision had verified the presence of two Philadelphia Antifa members at the scene.

> In addition to the Viking-clad man, an accomplice notably had a tattoo of a hammer and sickle, the Times reported.

I don't believe those two are Antifa. The photo of them that was shared said "phillyantifa.org" but that was because it was phillyantifa.org's photo, and phillyantifa.org was accusing the two of being white supremacists. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1346981505982074883?s=20

Anonymous at 6:21 PM on January 7, 2021 | #19404 | reply | quote

#19404 Related, though it doesn't contradict the idea that Antifa did some of the destruction blamed on Trump supporters: Expert Andy Ngo: It wasn’t antifa at the Capitol riots *Washington Examiner* (2021-01-06).

Anonymous at 6:23 PM on January 7, 2021 | #19405 | reply | quote


> it was phillyantifa.org's photo

Or rather, a photo obtained by phillyantifa.org.

Anonymous at 6:25 PM on January 7, 2021 | #19406 | reply | quote

Alexander Macris, Repressive Tolerance in Action (2020-01-08):

> - Tolerance is only to be extended to truth.

> - Leftism is objectively true, and anything other than leftism is not.

> - Therefore tolerance is only to be extended to leftism.

Anonymous at 11:25 AM on January 8, 2021 | #19412 | reply | quote

First Inventory of Damage to U.S. Capitol Building Released, *NYT* (2021-01-08):

> The damage was largely limited to broken glass, busted doors and graffiti, the report said.

Anonymous at 9:05 PM on January 8, 2021 | #19440 | reply | quote


[10:38 AM] curi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2TUNlvJpo0

[10:53 AM] JustinCEO: ya going to the military was outrageous. nancy isn't the commander in chief

[10:53 AM] curi: also bringing up nuclear strike is ridiculous. it's just a slander to act like trump might

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: yeah

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: trump has been one of the most restrained presidents re: military action

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: in general

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: forget about the left's nuclear fantasies

[10:54 AM] curi: also acting like the military would need to be told to use their brains b4 carrying out that order is a slander on the generals

[10:54 AM] curi: as if they are just pawns and only politicians make decisions

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: yeah

[10:54 AM] JustinCEO: trump would have trouble finding someone will to execute an arbitrary nuclear strike or whatever

[10:56 AM] JustinCEO: even if someone in the chain of command ultimately would execute such an order, it would take time to find them and to actually execute, and he'd probably get removed by 25th amdt before it happened, even in this absurd fantasy

[10:56 AM] JustinCEO: nixon tried to fire special prosecutor during watergate

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: ordered AG to do it

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: AG refused and resigned

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: ordered deputy AG to do it

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: Deputy AG refused and resigned

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: third guy finally did it

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: whole thing looked rly bad for nixon

[10:57 AM] JustinCEO: this was about *firing a special prosecutor*

[10:58 AM] JustinCEO: imagine the pushback on a guy with a week and a half left ordering a nuclear strike or other arbitrary military attack

curi at 11:03 AM on January 9, 2021 | #19454 | reply | quote


> 9. If you replace "Trump" with "Navalny" in today's discussion, you will get an 80% accurate Kremlin's answer as to why my name can't be mentioned on Russian TV and I shouldn't be allowed to participate in any elections.

More above and below at the link.

Navalny was nominated for the nobel peace prize in 2020 and has been praised by Western mainstream media for standing up to Putin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny He has been poisoned, apparently by the Russian govt.

curi at 12:49 PM on January 9, 2021 | #19457 | reply | quote

We track the race of company employees for affirmative action but not the race of people committing crimes (and their victims).

Anonymous at 8:25 PM on January 9, 2021 | #19472 | reply | quote

Paramilitary types at the storming of the Capitol


> NEW FOOTAGE: a long, disciplined line of men in body armor moves as a unit up the #CapitolBuilding steps.

There were a fair number of people in paramilitary gear with helmets and body armor at the forefront of storming the Capitol. Most of the people who were fighting the police, scaling walls, etc. looked like normal Trump rally participants, but there were also these paramilitary types who stand out. More examples: https://twitter.com/WienerNeeda/status/1348139407426031617 https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1346972919503724547

A few replies from the thread below.

https://twitter.com/j_nanma/status/1348147031982956544 :

> "Normal" protesters do not arrive with full equipment, like zip ties, body armor, scaling gear etc., these people were ready and trained

https://twitter.com/OutragedAtTrump/status/1348117822187081728 :

> It's like out of all the people there 90% were National Lampoon's cousin Eddie, and 10% were some kind of trained armed group of paramilitary terrorists.

Anonymous at 11:22 PM on January 9, 2021 | #19473 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/_evelynrae/status/1348157046768586754 :

> The dismissal of objectivity and debate is the language of the oppressor.

Good quote.

Anonymous at 11:29 PM on January 9, 2021 | #19474 | reply | quote

#19482 Some Twitter replies claim real factual details are slightly different but overall impression is about right. I have not researched.

curi at 3:50 PM on January 10, 2021 | #19483 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/rmconservative/status/1348434358630289410 :

> The Left brilliantly institutionalizes violence to such a point that it is no longer news when they act violently every single day, which enables them to get away with it.

Anonymous at 5:14 PM on January 10, 2021 | #19485 | reply | quote

From just a few months ago:


> Secret Service agents wounded outside White House, car bombs feared; official says Trump was taken to bunker

Anonymous at 6:24 PM on January 10, 2021 | #19488 | reply | quote

#19488 I don't recall any prominent Democrats – or anyone at all – being cancelled for that...

curi at 6:25 PM on January 10, 2021 | #19489 | reply | quote

Prosecutors weigh ‘heavy hammer’ — felony murder — for rioters in Capitol officer’s death, *wtopnews* (2021-01-11):

> While most murder investigations focus on the person or persons who caused the fatal injury, former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy said prosecutors could charge many rioters with felony murder, even if they were nowhere near Sicknick.

Anonymous at 9:49 AM on January 11, 2021 | #19506 | reply | quote

John Ziegler, Trump’s Ban from Social Media is Further Evidence America is Destined to Split Up, *Mediaite* (Jan 11th, 2021, 11:28 am):

> But the most concerning element of Trump’s social media ban may be what it says about where we are evolving as a society, and as a nation. In short, we are very rapidly headed towards a situation where we are no longer even remotely living in one unified nation, but rather literally different universes based upon our political beliefs (or, even more absurdly, our view of Donald Trump).

> Twitter and other social media giants have now made it exceedingly clear that they view Republicans, at best, as second-class citizens and many of them, either by choice or because they have been banned, are going elsewhere.... Now... their alternative destination, Parler, has been essentially kicked off the Internet by yet another super-woke “Big Tech” giant, Amazon.

> While Donald Trump clearly lost the election, he had more Americans vote for him to be reelected than any incumbent president in our history. He is obviously not some fringe character we can pretend is only supported by overtly crazy people.

> When at least 46% of our nation just voted for a president who is now no longer even allowed to fully participate in the public dialogue, and they understandably feel that they need to even further isolate themselves from what currently passes for the “national dialogue,” we are no longer even a marginally “united” nation. Forget about ever being on the same page, we are no longer even reading from the same book, and are living in at least two different realities that have almost nothing in common with one another.

> The foundation of our union will very soon be eroded to the point where circumstances could cause it to finally crumble in ways we never thought imaginable. After what has happened over the last week, and looks like could easily occur in the next one, all within a pandemic which has greatly divided the way we are governed, it is unfortunately no longer a question of if this will happen, but when.

Anonymous at 10:08 AM on January 11, 2021 | #19508 | reply | quote

Today, Tim Pool shared a thought about Trump’s remaining supporters.

@Cernovich wrote:

> My take on Trump is that you let him leave ignobly. Don't make him a martyr. Keep him on a leash and dog walk him out. He'll keep the truly low tier element of society, but he's lost his smart and competent supporters. He's neither Hitler nor Caesar. He's a Karshasian.

Pool replied:

> What he has left is mostly made up of the most fringe conspiracy Q bunch

Anonymous at 12:00 PM on January 11, 2021 | #19510 | reply | quote


Canary Mission exposing both left and right wing anti-semites.

curi at 1:14 PM on January 11, 2021 | #19512 | reply | quote

Some headlines from the left's recent advocacy of riots and violence: https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1348973421057732610

curi at 2:34 PM on January 12, 2021 | #19540 | reply | quote

Peter Navarro has released volume 3 (pdf) of his investigation into fraud and irregularities in the 2020 general election. Titled "Yes, President Trump Won", it argues that there were over 3 million possibly illegal votes across the 6 battleground states where Biden's total "victory" margin was less than 313,000, a factor of about 10x.

Anonymous at 11:30 AM on January 14, 2021 | #19564 | reply | quote



they have a lot of convenient bugs

curi at 7:42 PM on January 16, 2021 | #19605 | reply | quote


> DAVID HOROWITZ (GUEST): Well, look, where were those troops last summer when there were 633 violent attacks, arsons, killings, in 220 American cities. And Democrats were cheering on the rioters and bailing them out of jail. We are in the early stages of the establishment of a fascist state in America. People are sort of intimidated from saying that.

> But we had an election, so-called, where there were 1.4 million questionable votes that were questionable legally. There were illegal votes. And Biden won -- and this is in the battleground states -- and Biden won those states by a total of 158,000 votes. Yet if you suggest that this might be a rigged election, and you're a United States senator like Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz, the Democrats want to remove you from Congress, put you on no-fly lists. We're in a situation where the Democratic Party - which has been doing this for decades - is intent on suppressing the free speech of anybody who opposes them, you know, under the guise of the accusation that everything that Republicans say that Democrats find uncomfortable has to be a lie. And we need to ban lies, we need to ban them from Twitter, from Facebook.

curi at 12:58 PM on January 18, 2021 | #19628 | reply | quote


> ... the Democratic Party - which has been doing this for decades - is intent on suppressing the free speech of anybody who opposes them, you know, under the guise of the accusation that everything that Republicans say that Democrats find uncomfortable has to be a lie. And we need to ban lies, we need to ban them from Twitter, from Facebook.

Dems ban 1A-protected speech under the guise that it incites violence.

Anonymous at 3:08 PM on January 18, 2021 | #19642 | reply | quote

Angelo Codevilla, Clarity in Trump’s Wake, *American Greatness* (January 19, 2021)

I thought this was an excellent essay. Some quotes from it are below.

On a failing of Trump's:

> “Dogs That Bark Do Not Bite”

> Applying this observation to candidate Trump’s hyperbole suggested that President Trump might suffer from what Theodore Roosevelt called the most self-destructive of habits, combining “the unbridled tongue with the unready hand.” And, in fact, President Trump neither fired and referred for prosecution James Comey or the other intelligence officials who had run the surveillance of his campaign. He praised them, and let himself be persuaded to fire General Michael Flynn, his national security advisor, who stood in the way of the intelligence agencies’ plans against him. Nor did he declassify and make public all the documents associated with their illegalities. 

> Four years later, he left office with those documents still under seal. He criticized officials over whom he had absolute power, notably CIA’s Gina Haspel who likely committed a crime spying on his candidacy, but left them in office. Days after his own inauguration, he suffered the CIA’s removal of clearances from one of his appointees because he was a critic of the Agency. Any president worthy of his office would have fired the entire chain of officials who had made that decision. Instead, he appointed to these agencies people loyal to them and hostile to himself.

> Disdain for the “deplorables” united and energized parts of American society that, apart from their profitable material connections to government, have nothing in common and often have diverging interests. That hate, that determination to feel superior to the “deplorables” by treading upon them, is the “intersectionality,” the glue that binds, say, Wall Street coupon-clippers, folks in the media, officials of public service unions, gender studies professors, all manner of administrators, radical feminists, race and ethnic activists, and so on. #TheResistance grew by awakening these groups to the powers and privileges to which they imagine their superior worth entitles them, to their hate for anyone who does not submit preemptively.

I like how he calls hate the "intersectionality" that binds the left together.

> Because each and every part of the ruling coalition’s sense of what may assuage its grievances evolves without natural limit, this logic is as insatiable as it is powerful. It is also inherently destructive of oligarchy.

> It is more important to keep in mind that, in America prior to 2020, sworn affidavits that crimes have been committed had invariably been probable cause for judicial, prosecutorial, or legislative investigations. But for the first time in America, the ruling class dismissed them with: “You have no proof!” A judge (the sister of Georgia’s Stacey Abrams) ruled that even when someone tells the U.S. Postal Service they have moved, their old address is still a lawful basis for them to cast a ballot. Certainly, proof of crime is impossible with such judges and without testimony under oath, or powers of subpoena.

> Just as important, Republicans in general and the Trump White House in particular bear heavy responsibility for failing to challenge the patent illegality of the executive actions and consent decrees that enabled inherently insecure mail-in procedures in real-time, as they were being perpetrated in key states. No facts were at issue. Only law. The constitutional violations were undeniable.

> Pennsylvania et. al. answered Texas’s late lawsuit by arguing it demanded the invalidation of votes that had been cast in good faith. True. But Texas argued that letting stand the results of an election carried out contrary to the Constitution devalued the votes cast in states such as Texas that had held the election in a constitutional manner. Also true. Without comment, the Supreme Court chose to privilege the set of voters on the oligarchy’s side over those of their opponents. Had the lawsuit come well before the election, no such choice would have existed. Typically, the Trump Administration substituted bluster for action.


> The logic of hate and disdain of ordinary Americans is not only what binds the oligarchy together. It is the only substitute it has for any moral-ethical-intellectual point of reference. Donald Trump’s impotent, inglorious reaction to his defeat offered irresistible temptations to the oligarchy’s several sectors to celebrate victory by vying to hurt whoever had supported the president. But permanent war against some 74 million fellow citizens is a foredoomed approach to governing.

> The Democratic Party had promised a return to some kind of “normalcy.” Instead, its victory enabled the oligarchy’s several parts to redefine the people who do not show them due deference as “white supremacists,” “insurrectionists,” and Nazis—in short, as some kind of criminals—to exclude them from common platforms of communication, from the banking system, and perhaps even from air travel; and to set law enforcement to surveil them in order to find bases for prosecuting them. Neither Congress nor any state’s legislature legislated any of this. Rather, the several parts of America’s economic, cultural, and political establishment are waging this war, uncoordinated but well-nigh unanimously.

Anonymous at 9:37 PM on January 22, 2021 | #19715 | reply | quote

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